tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post1040008732310661063..comments2023-04-19T20:14:22.052+01:00Comments on Find 815: One Man's Opinion.DarkUFOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08464721245509617190noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-159362900387812732008-02-08T14:22:00.000+00:002008-02-08T14:22:00.000+00:00There is certainly a conspiracy, and so there is n...There is certainly a conspiracy, and so there is no reason to think that the plane really <I>is</I> Oceanic 815. But I wouldn't rule out there being wormholes and timewarps in general just yet.<BR/><BR/>On my blog I have <A HREF="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/01/lost-in-parallel-universe.html" REL="nofollow">a thread about LOST and parallel universes</A> you might enjoy...James F. McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02561146722461747647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-9646012716964498162008-02-04T19:17:00.000+00:002008-02-04T19:17:00.000+00:00"Ehm....do you know that when a plane wreckage is ..."Ehm....do you know that when a plane wreckage is found it gets taken away to get analyzed? "<BR/><BR/>The wreckage wouldn't likely be recovered because of the depth and the size. How would you raise it?<BR/><BR/>The best you would be able to do is use an ROV to obtain any objects that might have fallen outside the fuselage and take video footage. You certainly wouldn't be able to lift any decomposing bodies from their seats.<BR/><BR/>For as long as Flight 815 would've been at the bottom of the ocean their flesh would've decomposed to the point of non-recognition. Whatever would've been left would've been sharkbait (Who Ha Ha).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-80777797545958221762008-02-01T22:23:00.000+00:002008-02-01T22:23:00.000+00:00There is a simple fact that I don't think anyone h...There is a simple fact that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. When the plane crashed, there were two main pieces -- the one on the beach and the tail section. We don't get to see much of the plane in the video apart from the tail. If memory serves correctly, the "tail-ies" crashed in the ocean and the survivors were able to swim to the island.<BR/><BR/>If the wreckage Sam discovered was the actual plane, you would think someone on the Christiane would be able to see any land within swimming distance (even at night). They would definitely be able to ping it with radar. Any nearby land mass should also show up on their chart plotter.<BR/><BR/>I realize that underwater currents are capable of moving wreckage, but I highly doubt that such currents would be able to move the plane a distance of hundreds of miles over the time that the story has taken place. This leads me to believe what Sam found has been placed there. By whom and why is still up for debate.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it is possible that this is another of the strange properties the island possesses. Or maybe the camouflaged island theory is true. Time will tell.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06709563220063393968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-37295597615701602092008-02-01T19:47:00.000+00:002008-02-01T19:47:00.000+00:00It's the whole looking glass thing- mirrors and re...It's the whole looking glass thing- mirrors and reflections. They even said it in the recap - "mirror opposites". <BR/><BR/>There will be bodies and they won't be too far gone to identify. <BR/><BR/>The Losties are Bunny #8. (Or was it #15 that got dupicated?) <BR/><BR/>And Talbot is Sam's secret pal. "You don't know who you're dealing with." He does now! <BR/><BR/>Maybe Talbot's undercover in Widmore. Maybe he's looking for Cooper for killing his brother(?) Peter and stumbled upon the island/trench mirror mystery. He used Sam to 'find' the plane so his cover isn't blown. ???Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311416754124550013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-91493872966952413322008-02-01T19:28:00.000+00:002008-02-01T19:28:00.000+00:00part2May I also add that Candle went out of his wa...part2<BR/><BR/>May I also add that Candle went out of his way to say he wasnt an actor---which leaves the possibility that he IS an actor and the footage was intended to be deceptive<BR/><BR/>But the fact remains--we are suppose to entertain the theory of duplicates--anyone can see thatJohn Burgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021462296956618398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-4606291850006806052008-02-01T19:19:00.001+00:002008-02-01T19:19:00.001+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Burgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021462296956618398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-27249820907913587432008-02-01T19:19:00.000+00:002008-02-01T19:19:00.000+00:00A few of us came up with theory that thing were du...A few of us came up with theory that thing were duplicated through Time travel when we saw Pennys photo<BR/><BR/>That was a long time ago. Since then<BR/>---we have 2 planes with dead bodies<BR/>---We have 2 rabbits from the Orchid video and mention of the Casimir effect(wormholes)<BR/>---and we also have more than one Dr Candle running around<BR/><BR/>Its just not logical to make any conclusions at all so far. But this isnt Starsky and Hutch--its Lost--so a plain old conspiracy is just boring in the context of this magical island<BR/><BR/>When you think things are being duplicated from one single photo and then other things start getting duplicated later in the season--its not a coincidenceJohn Burgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021462296956618398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-41621303554418811232008-02-01T09:38:00.000+00:002008-02-01T09:38:00.000+00:00We all agree that Sam was led there by someone. I ...We all agree that Sam was led there by someone. <BR/><BR/>I do not buy all the conspiracy theory. First i was supporting it ... but it is very hard to fake something like this. And if i was going to do it i would not POINT the coordinates to SAM. I would just find it without him. <BR/><BR/>Now the 2nd thing is HOW CAN THEY RETURN the bodyes if they are not of the real people? And one more thing - IF THE PEOPLE ARE SENT BY WITHMORE to find the island WHY DO THEY USE the Penny's boat thing. They could have said that they are there just to search something and that they are friendly.........<BR/><BR/>I just can't put my finger on the connection of all those events. :)Stefan Stoykovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02296889473476933467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-21908170200018926292008-02-01T04:53:00.000+00:002008-02-01T04:53:00.000+00:00But if you were faking either plane parts or foota...But if you were faking either plane parts or footage, wouldn't you do it in the right ocean? <BR/><BR/>Also Naomi says they found the bodies. Think Widmore planted a plane and bodies? A bit hard, both. Look how much it cost ABC to get that plane to Hawaii. How do you also get bodies, in a mile-deep ocean trench? It's easy to let a plane be missing over the vast Pacific. How do you explain it being in the Indian Ocean? It doesn't add up.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311416754124550013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-45000997450986917832008-02-01T04:49:00.000+00:002008-02-01T04:49:00.000+00:00The plane down there is planted, yes Widmore is pa...The plane down there is planted, yes Widmore is part of it, but Talbot was actually baiting Sam into finding it. The goal was to accidentally find the wreckage that Widmore had placed to stop the world from looking for the real 815. <BR/><BR/>They knew they would never find the black rock, it was an ironic tail chase just to get Sam to find "a" wreckage. This way the world would never have questions that couldnt be answered, and they would never find out about the true whereabouts of the real 815 and black rock etc. (Also Amelia Earhart... she too is suspected on the island *Book Club Amelia* and was also portrayed in 815, and Herarat Aviation = Earhart Aviation, so i suspect we got that as an extra easter egg too out of this, we already had a clue but now we have more to base it on)caperzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178537243339914029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-69209634246507130522008-02-01T04:08:00.000+00:002008-02-01T04:08:00.000+00:00One more thing...I don't think there actually is a...One more thing...I don't think there actually is a plane in the trench. Wouldn't it be easier to fake the footage???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-35587117131438099112008-02-01T04:01:00.000+00:002008-02-01T04:01:00.000+00:00Simply put. Sam was making too much of a fuss rega...Simply put. Sam was making too much of a fuss regarding the where-abouts of 815 so he was baited and led to a fake crash site to shut him and anyone else up. However, this doesn't explain him seeing and hearing Sonya throughout this ARG. Could she be in room 23? I doubt it. That photo looks "stock" and we will probably never see that person on the show. Looks like the Others have a few "special" ppl working with them or forced to work for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-9065303102215012262008-02-01T03:38:00.000+00:002008-02-01T03:38:00.000+00:00JacksLostStepKid, actually there are three picture...JacksLostStepKid, actually there are three pictures. The original that the photographer took just before Desmond broke up with Penny, the second is one that sits on a night table at Penny's bedside table, and the third is the one that Naomi had in her book. <BR/><BR/>I'd really like to hear the answers to the multiple photograph question since that issue has been bugging me for quite a while now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-45652521924351820492008-02-01T03:25:00.000+00:002008-02-01T03:25:00.000+00:00Ehm....do you know that when a plane wreckage is f...Ehm....do you know that when a plane wreckage is found it gets taken away to get analyzed? So, when they get the plane and find it empty, or with dummies, arent they going to find that suspicious? Believe me, they are not going to leave it on the bottom of the ocean.Bolivar Baezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02318885915992296670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-73639146012309816802008-02-01T01:48:00.000+00:002008-02-01T01:48:00.000+00:00so, i think the theories great but i think the key...so, i think the theories great but i think the key's in maxwell group username and password, any guesses as to that?! only 10 minutes till show time!!! (here in chicago)Pru's Cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16495716202662216072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-1755582344080059762008-02-01T01:35:00.000+00:002008-02-01T01:35:00.000+00:00The whole strength of the show and the reason I li...The whole strength of the show and the reason I like it so much is that everything, I believe, must be explained through rational ideas. I think that there may be electromagnetic experiments and stuff, but that it's a vast conspiracy carried out by regular old humans. To me, it adds to the excitement of learning what the "whole truth" will be, since if they were to just say, "Uh, Jacob did that," then it would be a let down.Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12144628200083200403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-18093293723262303462008-02-01T01:22:00.000+00:002008-02-01T01:22:00.000+00:00Here's why I think the plane down there is not pla...Here's why I think the plane down there is not planted. <BR/><BR/>1- The best evidence that it is planted is the fact that someone had the coordinates to feed Sam before it was found. But Sam would have to be as smart as us and realize that. So taking Sam along if it WAS a plant is shooting yourself in the foot. He'd KNOW it and he'd PROVE it, by spilling that he was leaked the coordinates. Just like we do, he'd see that obviously they knew it was right there so they must've put it there.<BR/><BR/>I think they didn't put it there, but they know it's there. I think Talbot really was looking for the Black Rock, but he led Sam into coming and discovering 815, for some reason. The only reason I can think of to have Sam there is because now Maxwell/Widmore can't shut him up and keep that wreckage secret. Talbot couldn't 'discover' it on his Black Rock trip himself or his employers would just shut him up. <BR/><BR/>If they really did plant it, they would've done so in the flights' path, if they wanted to avert suspicion. <BR/><BR/>So I think we're back into sci fi territory. Either that or the writers did a lousy job, because why would Sam think he found that plane, when obviously someone knew where it was before him? But since no one addressed the whole 'wrong ocean' thing in the newscast, it could just be sloppy writing, too. <BR/><BR/>But I had fun!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311416754124550013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-69259304526432771152008-02-01T01:12:00.000+00:002008-02-01T01:12:00.000+00:00Hipster's theory sounds good to me. Everything wor...Hipster's theory sounds good to me. Everything works fine. <BR/>But during season 3 both Naomi and Cooper claimed there were no survivors on flight 815 (did they claim there were corpses inside the plane, too? Can't remember).<BR/>So if the plane was a fake either:<BR/><BR/>a) There were no corpses inside. Which I think would seem quite strange to the public opinion. All devoured by sharks or taken away by the tides? Mmh<BR/>b) There were (fake) corpses. That's a little more tricky than building a fake plane and sinking it, though, cause those corpses should conveniently lack fingerprints, toothprints and so on, and that would be, again, strange. Or should we think their (supposed) relatives would just be content with a "Uhm, yes, that piece of meat could be Mary"?<BR/><BR/>I still think it's the best theory we got, though :)...Kaleidoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15577466353074467422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-24543890661881744832008-02-01T00:20:00.000+00:002008-02-01T00:20:00.000+00:00Hipster, I've had the exact same theory for a few ...Hipster, I've had the exact same theory for a few weeks. The Sunda Trench crash site was to put to rest any further speculation by the families of the victims as to what happened with Flight 815 and allowing The Powers That Be to cover their tracks and keep the Island a secret.<BR/><BR/>Now the question is, just who are those Powers That Be? I think part of the overall mythology of the show is to reveal why the plane crashing on the Island is so important and who was linked to it in a grand sense.The Glass Eyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303101490924714001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-68073252256085057642008-02-01T00:14:00.000+00:002008-02-01T00:14:00.000+00:00uh, unlocke, season 3 is way over. its the start ...uh, unlocke, season 3 is way over. its the start of season 4 bud. you been on the island or something?DharmaSutrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12034662861275094779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-87213860460428617512008-02-01T00:13:00.000+00:002008-02-01T00:13:00.000+00:00What about a second plane? We've already seen the ...What about a second plane? We've already seen the orchid station orientation film with the duplicating bunny (#15). The Casimir effect was also discuss, which is relevant in discussion of possible wormholes.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07123904214494722013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-86928042121100552742008-02-01T00:04:00.000+00:002008-02-01T00:04:00.000+00:00I agree jlsk, there's definitely some time stuff g...I agree jlsk, there's definitely some time stuff going on in the show, and the producers responded in one of the podcasts to the question of how there could be multiple copies of the photograph. I don't remember what they said, but its definitely nothing conclusive. In my opinion, there is only one Oceanic 815. Why would Charles fake it? Maybe he has money in Oceanic and knew that by finding the plane he could help them move past the crash. Sam wasn't going to stop until he got answers, and he just got answers.James Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10499378860087609904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-56424149158466260382008-01-31T23:41:00.000+00:002008-01-31T23:41:00.000+00:00So, I can see how the "second" 815 in the trench c...So, I can see how the "second" 815 in the trench could be just an elaborate set up. I can see that Talbot is intentionally leading Sam to the finding of 815.<BR/><BR/>I still think there is something going on with time in the show. For one the picture was taken on the type of camara that takes a single photo with no negative or anything to later make a duplicate. They made a big deal about showing that there are two photos that exist now.<BR/><BR/>Also, the writers have stated that Desmond did really go back and time, and we've seen him glimpse the future.<BR/><BR/>So, I don't see how we can get away from at least some elements of time travel/timelines/etc. <BR/><BR/>I just really hope they don't go too far with it and go off the deep end. However they decide to integrate this whole time manipulation thing into the story really needs to be as simple and clean as possible.<BR/><BR/>JLSK<BR/><BR/>PS just a thought, but what if Talbot is a part of the same people who are tied to the Jewelry Merchant and the head Monk? Kinda puts an interesting spin on it.JacksLostStepKidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01796172058157764145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-17240013634011136262008-01-31T23:34:00.002+00:002008-01-31T23:34:00.002+00:00Yep, this is pretty much just confirms the popular...Yep, this is pretty much just confirms the popular theory.Apex Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831580250709824079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944716441661470310.post-34416731252797224462008-01-31T23:34:00.001+00:002008-01-31T23:34:00.001+00:00How do we know they didnt plant a dummy plane to h...How do we know they didnt plant a dummy plane to hide that there is tear in the time space continuum. ;)<BR/><BR/>On a serious note:<BR/>Why would they need to fake a crash site?<BR/><BR/>Planes go missing and are never found, not much fuss is made about it.<BR/><BR/>But by having a Crash-site, you Invite questions about the location & possible investigation of the site itself to try and aquire the blackBox.<BR/><BR/>Better IMO to Not find the plane :)SpOOky (Mark)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13735275341675868528noreply@blogger.com