Some speculation from Team Brazil.
We developed this theory, and we thought that may be interesting to post at the blog to see if anybody else thinks that way...
Taking into consideration all of the 3 LOST's seasons and the Find815 game we, the TEAM GAME, came to after today's new clue.
As we came to know in the second season, Penny's father could have something to do with the fact that Desmond is on the island, or that he's missing for that matter. Penny's never gave up on finding her soulmate. So, after the brotha went missing, Penny started to think that maybe her father should have something to do with that and started to check his history and actions.
She founds the connection between her family and the Hanso Foundation and all of its experiments. By knowing that, she came across the magnetic experiments information and started to investigate them, as the Hanso Foundation did.
On the island, we see The Swan blowing up by the ending of the 2nd season. Which cause a huge electromagnetic explosion that had its effects "felt" on the planet and was detected by Penny's researchers right away (those two Brazilians on the Arctic). At this point, Penny was right she had found Desmond.
Simultaneously, Penny discovers, during her investigation under her father, a communication room, but has no clue of with what that communicates, since everything is offline.
Mr. Widmore, by some mean, finds out that Penny knows the island location. And knowing her daughter is getting to know some things he don't want her to and that may compromise him with Desmond's disappearing, asks one of his employees, which we assume is Mr. Talbot, to lead an expedition to the island and clean out anything that could possibly link him to Desmond or anything else he had done on the island.
To achieve that, he tells Mr. Talbot that he should tell the Losties that who's leading the expedition is Penny. To make them believe, Mr. Widmore gives him some book that belongs to Penny and a picture of her and her boyfriend.
The boat gets to the island, and Naomi, convinces the Losties that the expedition is led by Penny.
Coincidentally at the same time the boat is waiting for Naomi's call from the island, Penny gets to the communication room we talked above, when all of a sudden everything starts to work and she gets to talk to Charlie letting him know there are no boats.
Bottom line: Christiane I is Naomi's boat. And we're probably going to see Sam in 4th season!
Source: Team Brazil
43 comments:
Sorry, i'm not convinced that the Christiane I is "Naomi's boat"! The Christiane I seem to me too small to carry a helicopter or to be the "freighter" they are awaiting to reach the island!
The rest of the theory seem ok to me, even tho it takes much coincidence for Penny to be at the room at the same time Charlie is, but.. this is Lost, coincidences are... wierd LOL
Já agora os tipos na estação ártica era suposto serem portugueses, mas enfim... que sabem os americanos disso?? :P
"not pennys boat" charlie pace's hand - the looking glass.
It'd be really cool, but just as Captain Ockham reminds us... the theory of Occam's razor.
Team Game is the best.
hmm...interesting idea. But isn't Sam be ahead of the Losties by a few years (unless time travel involved?). And the reason for ARG is to reveal a story the LOST writers couldn't fit into the LOST storyline so they probably wouldn't have Sam/ARG continue into season 4.
though i suppose you never know with LOST ;)
TEAM GAME BRAZIL: 24 HOURS OF HARD WORK
hurricanebtvs : read the teory again and you will see will charlie wrote that. Penny don´t know exactily whats happening.
Eliza: Sam can entry in season 4 as a new caracter, like Naomi, don´t need the find 815 ARG to other people understanding. They can do a "resume explanation".
PS RAFAEL do team game esta como Coringa
Could Sam be ahead!? Cause, I never sow a searching for a plane keeps up for 2 or 3 years! They search for months, and that it! I'm really confuse about the time in this ARG< but I think that's the intention !
Anyway, I do believe that Widmore family is involve in all this....
That's be really awesome if this was true. Can you imagine if he showed up? All the non-ARG playing fans would be like, "...wha?" and we'd all be like, "OH MY GOD, IT'S SAM!"
bela participação dos brasileiros aqui!!magavilha!!!
Interesting theory guys. I think there's a motivation this game is "inside" Lost (to "lost experience", the show was fiction), possibly Sam will be in the show...
I don't think it is naomi boat, but it is indeed connected to the freighter... maybe they will supply with something the freighters, maybe they are looking for the black rock for the diamonds... we will see it soon...
great work team brazil
So err .. where's Naomi then? I mean in the recent clip that was released? And where's that Minkowski guy Jack was talking to on the phone? And if your idea of taking back an island from 40 or so people with just 3 guys .. well i'd say you didn't quite think your cunning plan through. Besides as someone already pointed out ... there's no room on board the Christiane I for a chopper. Better luck next time Team Brazil.
A helicopter on the Christane I?
And this story is too much Desmon-based.
And we know that the people on the freighter dont want desmond at all.
I've had the exact same Penny vs. Her Father theory since the S3 finale!
While I don't agree with the Christiane I being the freighter or anything about the ARG tying into the show, I'm thrilled to see we share the same theory about Penny and her dad.
I like Team Brazil's idea too. It'd be fun to see the ARG folk show up in Lost (Sam, Oscar, both good actors appearantly. Sam acts a bit Jack-ish imho (not necesairily a bad thing :)) and Oscar's character could go either way: good or bad.).
Time discrepancies between ARG en Lost could be solved by forward and backward flashes right? It'd be a nice touch, seeing Sam arive on the future Island finding the people that "stayed behind".
God, season 4 can't start too soon :p
greetz
Hey Lateralus .. I didn´t understand waht u said abou t 40 people being rescued by just 3 guys? Hã?? You wanted to say more.. beacuse it´s not just occham, sam and talbot on boat..
I like the theory..
that´s it TEAM BRAZIL
I don't think Christiane I is naomi 's boat..
where the space for TWO elicopters is?
I remember you that Naomi felt on the island after the first one crashed and there is another elicopter that we see in s4 trailer..
i would like to write up some thoughts on this, but first i wanted to ask a question.
in commenting to this theory, am i allowed to incorporate spoilers from the spoiler section? or do some people who view this section not read the spoilers? because to put my point across i would have to mention a couple of spoilers.
in fact, i'm just gonna type up what i think. by the time i check back and someone replies i might forget some of what i was gonna say lol. just keep in mind, i touch on a couple of spoilers in the following text, so if you don't want to be spoiled, scroll past it.
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first of all, i want to say that all the theorizing in this "article" imo doesn't lend any credibility to the fact that the christiane I is naomi's freighter. they could have posted just the "bottom line" and the theory would stand just as strong imo.
i think we'll find out soon enough if it's the freighter, through playing the game. sam gives us updates on what's going on in the videos. the sunda trench is nowhere near where people think the island is (closer to fiji). in the second episode of season four there will be scenes in fiji, and we know that there was a similar looking freighter docked there. we also know the episode is freighter people-centric. so obviously, if the christiane I suddenly changes its course to eastbound, or specifically leaves for fiji, i guess we'll have our answer. maybe they change ships there, and carry on with a larger freighter. or maybe the "island" is so close to another known island that the helicopter didn't take off from a boat.
as for the speculation on penny and her father, to me it sounds a little bit too weird. they're family and all. he could just disown her lol. end of the questions. why play such a game with your own daughter? then again, this is lost, so i wouldn't be surprised. all in all, i guess it's a good theory.
Preach- don't know if Naomi was lying or not, but didn't she say that they were given coordinates "in the middle of the bloody ocean"? So, if she's being truthful about that, there wouldn't be any islands nearby...
xxoo
@me: don't forget Owen's on the boat! ;)
he was the one Ockham called out for, but Oscar came instead.
Just noticed: a bunch of O-named people on that boat! lol
Great theory TEAM BRAZIL. I wana add or change something to fit your theory with mine. I think that Charles Widmore has to be more motivated to find the island that the Desmond issue. Remember The Lost Experience, where we learned that he and his companie are very involucrated with the Hanso Foundation's experiments. When Hanso (and his Dharma Initiative) loose the island by the purge, Widmore loose a lot of money and resourses that he putted in the island researchs. So, as he is part of the Dharma inversionists he its collaborating with the rescue of the island.
I m agree that the Christiane I may be the Naomi's boat, but if its not, there must be a big float behind them.
Ah, and i got another theory about Widmore: Widmore it was behind the donation of the Elizabeth from Libby to Desmond. I m very sure that Libby it was connected to Widmore. Thats why Lindelof say he wana tell us something more of her.
(by the way, I am from Argentina, so... lets make a Southamerican Center of Theories)
That's a good point, fedegaray. As I haven't participated in the LE1, that ended up out of the theory.
And for those who think that the boat might be too small to fit a chopper, remember when Sayid asks Desmond if they had seen her chopper falling down? Not sure about the one you said we can see on S4 preview cause I'm avoiding too see anything, no spoilers this season, so, it still makes sense to me.
I've been also thinking for six months that the people on the freighter are actually the workers of Mr. Widmore, and Mr. Widmore wants to reach to Desmond on the island, to take him away from there. And as I've heard from a friend of mine that works on the set of LOST, and have seen the episodes of season 4, he says that Desmond has a connection with his family, his great great family through Mr. Widmore. That's another reason why Mr. Widmore doesn't want Desmond to be found.
And the actual thought of Mr. Widmore has lots of thing to do with the island has been in my mind for nearly a year. But let's wait and see... :)
agh yes i was wrong, thanks Coringa for pointing it out.
though now i see it is a really good theory, i still dont belive it to be true.
Christiane I is too small to hold two helicopters.
The Brazil team seems to know everything that's happening. Hmm....
that's a looooot of work to go through just to keep your daughter from being with some guy--- and a normal drunk scotsman at that.
lovely theory...as for the size of the Christiane I, maybe they have some kind of crisis and are picked up by the larger fieghter? Or Talbot rendezvous with the fieghter in a preplanned way?
The tecnical matter of the boat size, in my opinion doesn´t matter. `Cos in the Brazilian Theory there is the possibility to have more than one boat.And we are only gamers, not navy enginiers.And we can´t forget that could be smallers islands,´cos still remains thousands of possibilities about the localization and how many islands!!!!
And one more thing: Mr. Widmore are traying to uncover all the plot that he´s in. His enterprise and the Hanso foudantion are dangerous closer as we all know . It´s not only a "put Penny away", he is guilt for the experiments as Hanso Foundantion, so it´s clear to me that he wants to cover up all history.
my point is, Christiane I ain't Naomi's boat.
i do agree that there is a BIG FAT chance that Widmore is in charge of the freighter, but not to keep Penny away from Des.... He's got other interests on that island....
Gosh! Brazilians can made up good stuff! Nice theory! Keep working on it ;)
quick response to ellen, maybe it doesnt even matter but i wanted to further on what she said..
naomi did say they got coordinates in the middle of the, "bloody" ocean ;) anyway, that doesn't really have to mean anything. in interpreting what that really means, consider this: if you look back in the find815 archive on this site, dark (or someone else) presented what they thought was the place flight 815 crashed. it was a bit north of fiji. if looking on a world map, even a very descriptive one, if the island really is invisible like we think, it wouldn't be on a map, and thus the coordinates would be in the middle of the ocean. if fiji is a few hundred sea miles from our island, our island would indeed seem to have its coordinates in "the middle of the bloody ocean" :)
They aren't going to the island. They are going to the Sunda Trench to find the wreckage of Flight 815 that was mentioned by Naomi. Strange this is that this is supposedly taking place in 2006 while Naomi and Cooper claimed wreckage had already been found on island less then 100 days after the crash in 2004. I think this proves that time on the island moves slower then the rest of the world.
I do enjoy the idea that Widmore is behind more of this than people may have thought beforehand. However, like others have mentioned, the size of the boat seems to be a problem. My larger problem with the idea of the Christiane I being Naomi's boat is that I went back and watched the end of the season 3 finale and listened to the man talking to Jack on the radio and his voice is definitely American, not like any of the voices we have heard so far of people on the boat. It is definitely possible that there are Americans on board that we haven't met yet, but until we see them I'd say that the Christiane I is not the boat that Jack talks to.
i also want to say that i think some of the theorizing is dragging it a bit far. remember that this is an ensemble cast. i doubt the producers are so, yes i'll say it, stupid as to have the main storyline revolve around a man's love for another man's daughter, with complications. desmond and penny can't end up being main characters, and if this whole finding the island thing is because mr. widmore wants to silence desmond or something, the show would change from being a show about seemingly something big, to being a sappy story of love and jealousy. i personally don't think the freighter people have anything to do with charles widmore in a direct sense.
Preach--
I agree with most of what you are saying, but my point was, our island is indeed probably invisible, and what Naomi said indicated, at least to me, that there were NO other land masses even close by. So how could she have taken off in the helicopter from another island as you said?
Maybe I'm not understanding you?
xxoo
i have to agree with Preach, i think people are over exagerating things alot by clutching at so many straws. i think the one thing that we are dead on so far is amelia earheart. everything is just theory in my opinion.
By the way, I allways thought Amelia Ehrhard would be important, since someone mentioned her :)
I think Widmore is in contact with the Freighter, for other reasons than Desmon, but, it's a nice side-bonus for him (I don't know how to put it in english) that Penny and Desmond may not come together :)
Nice try by Team Brazil, but there are so many things wrong with their theory and so much extrapolation, I don't buy it at all.
I think Preach is right: they are going to the Sunda trench. the sunda trench is not far from Bali, where Naomi said they'd found the wreckage.
There is also the idea that the Christiane I is definitely not the freighter that is expected in Season 4.
While I would love to see Sam intervene for real in the series, my theory is: Sam, by joining the Christiane I, has inadvertently joined the team that will "discover" the wreckage of flight 815 off the coast of Bali (which Cooper and Naomi refer to). I think this "discovery" would tie in nicely with what we're supposed to learn in season 4...
I think the Oceanic crib mobile in the nursery shows a tight connection between the airline and the finincial consortium of Paik/Widmore/Talbot. So the fake discovery can be made and maybe even exposed within the ARG. It has to be exposed at some point because Jack is back at work.
I'll repeat: This boat will sink... And they will be rescued by Naomi's boat...
The problem is: Sam must stay in the island...
Or how could Jack not know about the island location years later...
What u think !!!
The Misterymachine
touching back on this old dated article now with a last response to ellen - good point lol, yeah the helicopter likely didn't take off from another island. :)
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