Jan 24, 2008

Speculation: The Hatch Detonation Caused The Aurora Sam Saw


Rafael of Team Game Brazil sent in some interesting speculation complete with a power point presentation (not his, however) regarding a theory about the Aurora Australis Sam saw last night. He has a theory that the aurora is dissipated energy left over from when the hatch went blamo.

51 comments:

justashepard said...

This is a cool theory, and it seems to be in line with the games intention to sync itself up with the show.

Mattman said...

I don't think this fits the timeline if we're accepting that on the TV show is 2004 (the year of the crash) and the ARG is 2006 at the earliest (see previous posts about the timeline) then we're talking 2+ years, not just 70 days.

BILL said...

plus i think it was day time when the hatch imploded.

Helio Maciel said...

mattman, there are strong arguments to prove that the ARG is happening in 2004... Not the least one of them the fact that it is completely unrealistic to expect a search for a missing airplane to last more then a couple of months... and for an air company to remain grounded for such a long time.

IMHO, this theory is consistent with the *supposed* time frame of this ARG. As I have said before, I suspect we will only have confirmation of when this is happening in episode 1 of season 4, in a possible Hurley's flash forward, when I believe the fate of his box company will be mentioned...

Congested said...

@BILL: Rafael's theory addresses that:

P: Did the hatch explode by day, why Sam see aurora at night ?

R:In this event we have the same thing occurred in the solar
explosions, them where
effects last for days, and we can end that the effects in this case
they would be similar, so they might last a long time for more than a day.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

If this were the case, wouldn't it be conspicuous that none of the Island residents observed (or were seen on-camera observing) the aurora effects?

Interesting theory, not a strong likelihood IMO.

Mike Anderson said...

Possible that this ship is going to be the one to rescue the losties???

Lamurias said...

"If this were the case, wouldn't it be conspicuous that none of the Island residents observed (or were seen on-camera observing) the aurora effects?"

the sky went purple, remember? that like a giant aurora.

ferraudo said...

I think about it, too

four_toed_armenian said...

I actually thought this was assumed - and what we were supposed to infer from the video.

Monique said...

Cool theory. Something I was wondering too, if the implosion was somehow responsible for it, but I don't have the smarts to flesh it out. I was reading a danish myth about Aurora Borealis.

"One romantic conception found in Danish folklore is that these lights were due to a throng of swans flying so far to the north that they were caught in the ice. Each time they flapped their wings, they created reflections which created the northern lights."

http://www.northern-lights.no/english/mythology/index.shtml

I wonder if that is why the Swan hatch got it's name since Lost combines myths, faith, philosophy etc? Hanso was Danish. And the Swan hatch controls the magnetic properties of the island

stephyb said...

Would this then coincide with the appearance of Ben's tumor? The removal of the electromagnetic properties allows cancer cells to grow? Just thinking out loud...

cldx said...

I like this theory even if its not really of importance, i couldve survived without that information but hey, i love when creative heads come up with creative stories, speaking of which you should be reading the Script Contests on lostpedia, they are awesome.

However i cant believe that people are actually still discussing the 2006/2004 question? Besides the other hints on the fact that the ARG will tie in with the show, its pretty obvious (and was right from the very beginning of the game) that a search for a flight would not be kept active over the time span of several years and as far as i know the only hint we got that the game takes place in 2006 was some Stock Information shown during the NewsCast, and that wasnt even accurate but only close to the actual Stock Values of that year, total coincedence if you ask me. Its definetely in the "normal" Lost Timeline, just my 2 cents...

hurricanebtvs said...

myself personaly, i think it was caused by a submarine. sounds far fetched i know but look at the water when the glow is happening, sure it could be a reflection but it looks like the light is coming out of the water, and its moving aswell...

Dynamo said...

Im pretty sure its not the case. The plane had already crashed, before he had even begun getting on this ship.

unlocke said...

hello
i think that the light was caused by the hatch goin nuts
the reason for it being visable at night to sam is because time runs at a different speed on the island. we all know the shows about time travel

dharmabum14 said...

Sam seeing the after effects of the hatch implosion a few hours later is explained in the Brazilian team's theory. It looks to me that the one big thing we'll know going into S4 is that the island is not where everyone thought it was, near Fiji. Ever since the first hints about the Sunda Trench that's looked like what the whole Find 815 ARG was going to reveal. This hint that the boat has a helipad also sets us up for the follow-up to the end of S3. But Christmas Island is just within helicopter range of Indonesia, so Naomi's helicopter doesn't have to take off from the Christiane 1.

ReignkingTW said...

Dynamo, we're talking about the hatch implosion to end season 2, not the explosion that caused the crash. Obviously, Sam wouldn't be on the boat if the plane hadn't crashed yet :)

Chris said...

Very interesting theory. Does this mean that Chapter 5's ending will see the arrival of Walt and Michael? Since Ben gave Michael exact coordinates to a boat out at sea...maybe?

travis said...

I like the theory A LOT! It would be super-cool if the Christian picked up Walt and Michael, like chris suggested, however I think it's more likely they'll find the sunken remains of "815".

coolpeace said...

As regarding the timeline...here is a few facts that were confirmed by Damon et al. (if my memory serves correctly):

At the end of season 3, our losties have been on the island for approx. 100 days. Which brings us almost at Christmas' doorstep.

If we divide each Lost season to equal parts of those 100 days, it would be that each TV season is approx. equal to 33 days.

Now, Sam says that he will be at sea and not returning before Christmas. Assuming that the search does not exceed a full year, which is a safe assumption. the ARG should be taking place in 2004 (same as island time).

All this to say that it is,in fact, quite possible that the hatch implosion at the end of season 2 happened at the end of November. Which would make the Brazilan team's theory possible.

However, that theory would eliminate the possibility of the Christaine I being the rescue ship, since we are now at the end of season 3 and some 30 days later.

Whewww... sorry, I am very long winded to night ;-)

coolpeace said...

Sorry, just reread myself - I guess the Christiane I could be the rescue freighter, if it stays out until past Christmas, but if the ARG ends prior to the start of season 4...

Argggh...my brain just exploded!

Bolivar Baez (2006-5715) said...

Well, this theory depends on how long a "Aurora" would stay "alive", because if we think this throughly the maxwell group gave sam the coordinates, and since maxwell group leads to penny we could say that the coordinates comes from the polar station (the brazillian guys) so this places the ARG after the hatch implosion, which could be very possible given the information.

Adding to the other theories about the island time, its been calculated that that it is 1 year (real time) to 48 days (island time) given the analogy of "The Other 48 days" as to "the first year of lost" on tv, or something like that.

justashepard said...

just to interject, I still am not convinced that the Christiane I is the rescue boat.
-We've seen the Christiane and we know that it doesn't have a helipad
-We also know that it isn't big enough to be a "freighter"
-The helipad stuff came up in reference to another ship the "Aurora Australis" and the link has not been made between the two.
-finally there is the matter of the Helgus Antonius, the paik/whitmore freighter that seems to be the most likely candidate to be naomi's boat

travis said...

yeah, and where is Minkowski and Naomi Dorrit??

The Christian I is a SALVAGE boat looking for a SUNKEN ship near a TRENCH. Sound familiar?

Cody said...

I first thought, and posted so in an earlier thread, that the hatch explosion caused the instruments in the cabin to go haywire (as shown in the video of Sam going into the cabin). But after chatting with a couple of commenters (sorry can't think of their names right now) we started to believed that the instruments whet haywire during the time that the losties let the counter in the hatch go to zero, the alarm sounded, and the hieroglyphics were first revealed. The losties eventually entered the numbers and the counter reset. In island time this was a few days before the hatch exploded, and this aroua occurded a few days after the instruments in the cabin were blinking. I think this could be it.

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RFisher33 said...

I think that the Aurora is caused by the Hatch when the the clock gets to zero. As we know now the entering of the numbers was to disperse the build up of electromagnetic energy. So I believe this Aurora was seen because the hatch clock had got to zero (When electromagnetism was at its highest) and the reason the Aurora dissapeared is because one of the losties had entered the numbers.

Jan said...

Just a thought: Maybe Talbot brings "real Sawyer" Cooper to the island, because he wants revange for what happened to his brother (killed by Cooper in S3E12???). He works together with the others and they want Locke to kill his father. So Cooper is hidden on the boad somewhere...

This would also fit into the timeline (hatch-explosion=aurora)

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nickelback100 said...

Maybe it was a USO,

I thought the writers had already confirmed that the island is located somewhere in the pacific,

I think it is the same time period but this is going to lead us to the {fake}815 wreckage,maybe this is the only way the 2004 tsunami could make an appearance in the game without having to shift the location of the island.

Matt said...

Another strikeout for team (sic) Brazil.

Lostpedia puts the crash precisely, and appropriately, at Saturday, November 27. It's pretty clear, given the context of the ARG, that the ARG is taking place MUCH closer to Christmas, mid December at the EARLIEST.

Thus, the Aurora is NOT from the hatch implosion - either directly or indirectly. It is not the actual implosion because, as stated above, the ARG timeline is nearly a MONTH off. However, it could be an indirect vestige of the implosion that flickers on and off. This theory is also unlikely, as electromagnetic energy, when released, doesn't just "sit around" waiting for something to happen.

MY THEORY - the aurora is caused by the natural magnetic emissions of the island. The swan served as a sort of dam, holding the energy in. Every 108 minutes, the button would have to be pushed to expel some of the magnetic energy. However, once the swan imploded, there was no longer a dam, and the energy was free flowing.

Think of it in terms of a river with a 100% blocking dam in it. While the dam is in place, there is no flow of water downstream. However, if the dam were to release SOME (but not all) of its water, there would be a trickle flowing out, and the rest would still be damed up. If the dam was removed, on the other hand, there would be a sudden surge of water, after which would come a steady, natural flow.

Sam saw an Aurora cause by the natural magnetic properties of the island. While the Swan was certainly related to these properties, it also was without a doubt NOT the cause of them.

Josh Bryant said...

That's exactly what I've been thinking

Coringa said...

Matt the crash is in SEPTEMBER never in NOVEMBER,

FONT:yout lostpedia !

Season 1 summary

On September 22, 2004, a plane breaks apart in mid-air, scattering survivors on a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific. A few dozen of these survivors, after the initial shock passes, attempt to set up a camp, and figure out where they are, but are disturbed by loud roaring noises and crashing trees emanating from the nearby jungle.....

FONT:http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_1


READ AGAIN after talk is a another strikeout fron TGB

Strikeout is your mouth !!!

Onme more:

Do you see the game last night ?
No doubt

Try again

Coringa said...

sic? plead Odi, look that

Lamurias said...

hes talking about the swan implosion, not the plane crash. another strikeout for TGB.

Coringa said...

Lamurias
Maybe, but how this "strikeout" the theory ? our only evidence Sam are closer to Christmas was the Mom, what she and trace talks can be in this date

Did you play the game last night ??
One more :

Like cood say:

That the instruments in bridge whet haywire during the time that the
losties let the counter in the hatch go to zero, the alarm sounded,
and the hieroglyphics were first revealed.(when john broke her leg in
door) The losties eventually entered the numbers and the counter
reset. In island time this was a few days before the hatch exploded,
and this aurora occurded a few days after the instruments in the cabin
were blinking.

travis said...

The timeline for the ARG is clearly before Christmas. What is not clear is how *close* to Christmas we are. Sam and Terry mention X-mas a lot in their emails, but if you're out on a ship that can go months at time without porting, being home for Christmas is still an issue in late November.

If the aurora is remnant of the hatch explosion, it could be a couple days after November 27. I don't know about you, but my family talks about our plans for Christmas a month in advance.

There's still plenty of time from November 27 (hatch explosion and possible aurora connection) to December 11 (Ben mentions Cooper - the man from Tallahassee, who in turn tells Sawyer they found Flight 815 in a trench) for Sam and Co. to find the plane and for the media to announce it to the world.

Felipe Milano said...

In my opinion it was NOT the implosion simply because of one tiny little detail: the sky went PURPLE, not green.

I believe that Sam witnessed one of the times when somebody delayed the typing of the Bad Numbers, that's all.

When you don't type them precisely after 108 minutes, there was some sort of overcharging, and some magnetic disturbances may have leaked. That's what Sam saw...I guess...

travis said...

felipe: The explosion took place in the daytime. The Aurora happened at night. This is all pseudoscience, but I'm guessing what Sam saw was the remnants of the explosion as it traveled away from the island.

It's not a perfect theory, but it's a lot simpler than some of the other theories I've read about the timeline.

gloryshower said...

You all have way too much time on your hands...

Coringa said...

Felipe:
Rafael sad in theory
a) solar and stellar Flares (it is here that the vision of Sam is fitted. Perhaps the energy dispersed by the explosion, has done this type of sign, which receives this name because of being the same phenomenon that takes place in explosions of the Sun. And the word Flare means sinalization. The electromagnetic energy resulting from the explosion has affected everything around).

if you see the ppt you will understand why this change color, because, the aurora not change color, but the explosion is a kind of nuclear bomb, and the effects in local place are diferents

the fist 180 time was the radars of bridge

travis: P: Did the hatch explode by day, why Sam see aurora at night ?

R:In this event we have the same thing occurred in the solar explosions, them where effects last for days, and we can end that the effects in this case they would be similar, so they might last a long time for more than a day.

Matt said...

@ coringa

How can you possibly reasonably compare solar explosions (release of combustion energy) with an effect related to pronounced magnetic radiation? They are incomparable and work under completely different rules of physics. See, e.g., equations regarding combustion v. those regarding magnetic fields / energy.

Julio Antonio said...
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Julio Antonio said...

Couple of comments:

It is possible that the color of the sky after the Hatch imploded may be related to the distance. The Earth curvature and change batween air/water density creates a "Prism" like effect, bending the light.

For instance I was listening in NPR about a phenomenon in the Carribean in which just before the sundowm there are different colors in the sky, with green been the easiest to observe.

The other is a little mind bending theory: It is possible the time in the island does not passes as fast as the time in the outside world.
That's why Sam listened to Amelia Broadcast which happened in the 30's now in 2000's. for the people in the island only 90 days had passed while in the outside world: 3 years.

Come on! If there are ghosts that say "Help me" and black smoke that kills people, and even with that Jack wants to go back to the island, my theory is feasible.

Coringa said...

Matt, its only you....
please download and read the .ppt file, after any more posts please !
you are the only in your theory...

so please again, you play the game last night ?? so, it was evident.
read ppt and compare

capitan mission said...

When i saw the aurora i think the same, the aurora is related whit the implosion or not enter the numbers in time.
I believe that the time in the island is diferent, maybe not permanently, but sometimes something like a portal opens, and connect the island whit other space/time.
sory for my english!!

Matt said...

OK read the powerpoint. The problem with your theory is that you are still comparing magnetic phenomena as influences in a high energy (read solar) environment, with magnetic phenomena NOT in that environment.

Notice the use of the word "plasma." That means really absurdly hot. Like, hotter than anything near where Sam is.

AF8679 said...

Hey, not sure if this helps but it's interesting. Go back and watch the episode in Season 3 where Lock gets pushed out of the window by his father:

When the cops confront him after talking to the son of the woman his father is currently conning, the cops mention that the guy's name is TALBOTT. And when Lock lies and says that Talbott just came to his door to sell something, the cops tell him that is strange since Talbott's family is "worth millions." Think it's the same Talbott family?

If this has been mentioned already, i apologize.

Mattman said...

What about the March 2005 earthquake on the Sunda Trench website? That would suggest it'd have to be after that unless it's from the future.

Jake Chambers said...

@AF8679: The name was noticed as soon as we heard his name for the first time in the game ;)